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Wednesday
Jul072010

Pretique: Newest DIY Fake Botox Fraud Site

There's at least one new site dispensing fake Botox, dermal fillers, tanning injections, chemical peels and even Lidocane kits.

Pretique Cosmetics is selling all of this and more.

Could this get any worse? Are there really idiots out there who would knowingly buy who-knows-what from a sleazy website and inject themselves with it? This is the same kind of fake Botox that Discount Medspa was selling before they got shut down.

Part of me is just angry that this kind of blatant fraud is even possible. The only thing that they're selling on is price so it's a safe bet that the women most being hurt by this are those least able to afford real medical care.

Pretique Medspa Fake Botox & Dermal Fillers Scam Site

Here's what Pretique says about themselves while quoting nameless 'research studies':

We are North America's #1 Supplier of Pretique® 'Botulinum Type A Cosmetic . These treatments provide very little pain with amazing results.

For over a decade Allergen has been the only company to provide these treatments, but Pretique has changed that, and that change is a very good thing Now you have a choice with Pretique  and best of all its available without a prescription.

Pretique is reported to take effect a little quicker than Allergens and in some reports is stated to last a little longer.

While the list of "fillers" has grown long in the past few years, Botox has never really had any competition.  A limited variety of creams have purported to be "better than Botox."  But, you know what?  They aren't.

What is Pretique?

For years, Pretiquehas beenused safely and effectively.  In recent head-to-head tests -- it has already confirmed Pretique efficacy.

Having digested many of these research studies, we must say that we are excited

  • In all studies, Pretique has worked (just like Allergen's Botox)!

  • And have identified no significant red flags for Pretique.  No allergies.  No untoward infections.  (Same is true for Botox. Both appear to be very safe medications.)

  • In some studies, Pretique has not lasted as long. (And the biggest downside to Botox is that it lasts only 3-4 months.)

Here's Pretique's pitch to get you to buy Lidocane so you can't feel what you're doing to yourself when you're squirting their 'fillers' into your lips.

Of course this is the Pretique Medspa warrantee:

Disclaimers

YOUR USE OF THIS SITE IS AT YOUR RISK. THE INFORMATION, MATERIALS AND SERVICES PROVIDED ON OR THROUGH THIS WEB SITE ARE PROVIDED "AS IS" WITHOUT ANY WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND.

This websitedoes not assume any responsibility for any damages arising from use of products on this website...

Thanks to Pat Monroe RN for outing these guys.

Reader Comments (14)

The worst part about this site is that they are located out of Canada so no state Attorney General's office can shut them down. I like how this site was instructing patients on how to inject "Botox" underneath the eyes both superficially and deep into the dermis for wrinkles. Yikes!

On the bright side, at least the Plastic and Reconstructive Surgeons will be busy correcting the mistakes that are soon to follow. (That is, unless the patient dies as a complication from the Botox).

07.8 | Unregistered Commenterwendyh

This kind of fraud is just unconscionable. To inject yourself with anything like this is just stupid beyond words. Even if this was Botox or Restylane you'd be an idiot to inject yourself. I'm at a loss.

07.8 | Unregistered CommenterDermgal

I bought from these people and the stuff was great. I think that Dr.s miss out on a bunch of money when people do it themselves and that is why the Md's are angry.

07.21 | Unregistered Commenterc.nelson

No C. Nelson we don't care about being a practitioner and how much money we are or aren't making when it comes to this stuff. What we care about is you have no idea what that product is. I can guarantee the vial you bought doesn't have the Allergan hologram on it which verifies this product is a safe and effective treatment. What you bought could be research grade botulinum toxin type A-G. It might not be purified properly for facial administration, it might be a botox grade that hasn't been tested for cosmetic procedures or it might not be botox at all.
With the price this person is selling for and the assumption that they are making a profit of at least 50% of the price, then it worries me more and more. Just exactly what is the stuff in the vial?????

07.22 | Unregistered CommenterPat Monroe

If you actually bother to do your research, there is an entire community of women in various countries who are ordering from these sites, comparing notes with each other, comparing their results with the results from their doctors, and becoming educated. Education has traditionally been power. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to do a few intramuscular injections, if a child with diabetes can inject insulin, then why couldn't the average woman figure out how to inject her own botox, especially after paying a doctor to do it in the same spots every 3 - 5 months over a period of years? Trust me, any woman who has had botox more than a few times is going to remember the approximate injection sites, pain is after all, the best teacher. And if she doesn't happen to remember, she can always look on youtube, there are a million educational videos on there showing exactly how and where to inject.
Is the Chinese product any more dangerous than what is being produced by Allergan? Possibly. But when you factor in shady doctors who over-dilute to save a few dollars, or who are anxious to get their own botox from China for the same reason, ordering onine is probably no more dangerous than some things going on in doctors offices. Then add in the frauds that have no training or medical degree but show up at your local spa offering Botox at a discount, or the Botox parties, and well, this is maybe even safer. The Chinese actually do more cosmetic procedures per capita than the populations of many other countries, and their research is a growing body. If they can come up with procedures to increase someone's height, why can't they make a safe botox? I know doctors are annxious to blast this as a dangerous and unsafe practice, but seriously, look around you, there are plenty of things going on that are far worse. And, with an average savings of over 90%, unless legit docs are going to start charging more reasonable prices, this is probably going to be the wave of the future.

07.24 | Unregistered Commentermisskriss

Oh, and in case the next argument is how a certified MD would never use a product from China, here is an article in Marie Claire citing numerous docs that have done that or worse to their patients.
http://www.marieclaire.com/health-fitness/advice/tips/bad-plastic-surgery-3

And in case you wonder where I get my radical ideas, I am friends with the owner of this salon, who has suffered greatly after having a con artist show up and convince her he was a doctor and would inject her clietele for a discount. I was a lucky patient who wasn't home when she called offering this service!
http://www.ktka.com/news/2008/feb/29/women_experience_pain_following_fake_botox_and_fau/

So, how should the average consumer who can no longer trust their doctor deal with all of this? Avoid Botox all together? Or educate yourself, find a reliable supplier, and learn the musculature of the human face and how to do a proper injection?

07.24 | Unregistered Commentermisskriss

You know Miss Kriss I can't argue with a zealot so I am not going to try. But I just want to remind you that every profession has scammers and tricksters. The answer is finding a reputable person to do your treatments. How do you find a reputable person, talk to others who have been to that person. Word of mouth is the best way to find out information. Second, yes that child can be taught to do insulin injections but chances are mom or dad has filled the syringe, so the child gets the proper amount of medication. And lastly, do you want to trust a country that knowingly puts lead in paint and other plastic products known to be used for children? If they don't care about the quality of our children's health what makes you think they care about yours?

I am hardly a zealot, but I am highly informed and I do lots of research. China certainly as a country overall has a spotty record of QC, but then again, so do American manufacturers. Remember all of the eye infections caused by US made contact lenses solution in the past year? How about the dog food that killed a whole bunch of dogs? Those were American companies to the best of my recollection, and one of them is overseen by our very own FDA, the same governing body that regulates Allergan. The last time I checked, American corporations care mostly about staying in business, this means they have a constant fixed eye staring at the bottom line. If they weren't interested in making money, they would have a different status, non-profit I believe is the term. They may claim to care about their customers, and I know having worked for one that most individual employees certainly do, but individual employees have little say over what happens in the average corporation, the drug industry being no exception. Drugs have been rushed to market, been manufactured with impurities and other problems, and even caused death in this country.

I am a little confused about the argument regarding insulin syringes. Essentially we are in agreement that children can and do inject their own insulin, right? And then you go on to state that adults fill the syringes for them, yes? So we can agree that the parent of a diabetic child can almost without exception safely fill their child's syringes? Then it isn't a far jump to say the average adult could put some Botox in a syringe in a safe manner, right? And since children can learn to inject insulin, then certainly adults could learn to inject Botox? So you essentially proved my point? Do I have that right?

And, it has been my experience in life that if you want something done reliably and consistently to your standards, it is always best to learn to do it yourself. Then you don't have to worry about the trusted practitioner you depend on dying or retiring or moving away, right?
So the main problem in my argument is the question of the quality of the Botox being imported from China. So, I guess your answer works the same way here, find a manufacturer and a distributor that you trust, listen to other consumers about their own experiences, and proceed with caution.
I didn't hear any mention about the actual monetary savings in your response.... but $100 for 100 units versus $1000 for 100 units is 90% savings.... there isn't a consumer in America that wouldn't appreciate those numbers.

07.30 | Unregistered Commentermisskriss

I don't generally interject in general forum topics but 'misskriss' irks me somewhat since she is neither informed, nor terribly bright it seems. (BTW, the dog food was imported from China... as were the children's toys with lead paint.)

I'm afraid that her pseudo-babble about fake Botox and trying to equate it to legitimate products may sound like it's actually sensible. It is not.

For anyone stupid enough to inject themselves with 'Chinese Botox like substances' there are plenty of Botox and filler injection horror stories around. These do it yourself Botox sites are mongrels who pray on the less intelligent among the population. It seems they've found at least one convert.

Well there is a huge difference in aiming for the largest muscle you can find, in the case of an epi pen, or pinching some fat tissue to inject insulin. When injecting Botox and even fillers you need to have a specific knowledge about where the different muscles are, how they work and if yours are in "normal" placement. I had a client just today that has a large obvious vein running along one temple, but not the other. Does that mean it's not there on one side? No it means it's deeper under the skin or in a differing location. Also if you don't know your landmarks you could inadvertently inject into a nerve, and there are lots in the face, and cause nerve damage.

As for price. The old saying of you get what you pay for comes to mind. Buy a $1 pair of sunglasses at the dollar store and I am willing to bet they fall apart faster than the Oakley's my son in law paid $125 for.

Oh I thought the dog food was from Canada. And lets not forget the Chinese formula fiasco. Not only do they put lead in toys, but they tainted baby formula for their own people. Yes every country has had recalls for products, but it seems to me I hear many more horror stories about Asian imported items than American items.

The FDA is your friend. The FDA’s office of criminal investigations protect consumers’ such as yourself from products, such as unregulated “Botox” which endanger the public’s health. Under federal law, no form of botulinum toxin may be commercially distributed for use on humans unless it has been approved by FDA. At this time, Botox Cosmetic, made by Allergan Inc. of Irvine, California, is the only type of botulinum toxin approved by FDA. Yes, anyone can inject themselves with needles. Take for example addicts’ who inject themselves with street drugs. Just like the counterfeit botulinim toxin you are using, these drug users do not know exactly what they are putting into their system and at what concentrations. I am sure they are also “experts” at injecting. As we all know, drug users have a tendency to overdose and as logic dictates the death rate for street drug users is consequently very high.

My husband performed Traumatic Surgery for quite a few years and there many tragedies during his career. Some misfortunes were purely unavoidable such as car accidents and people being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Other times outcomes could have been completely avoided. I believe this counterfeit Botox is a bad outcome waiting to happen which could be avoided. Life is so short. One day you are here and one day you are gone. Why would you want to do anything to yourself where you are not in control of the outcome and could lesson your life expectancy? If an individual is purchasing unregulated botulinim toxin, he/she has no idea the amount of botulinim they are using. Too much botulinim will cause paralysis requiring long-term hospitalization with a ventilator and even death.

The reason why China can sell unregulated botulinim toxin to you at a discount is because it is likely not sterile or purified. This means that with each shipment, varied concentrations of botulinim are in the bottles you are receiving, too much “botox”, and you will lose all ability to breathe on your own and if by some stroke of luck you reach the hospital in time, you can look forward to being put on a respirator for up to 6 months or so for the paralysis to wear off. If you want to continue to inject yourself knowing the risks involved and bypassing the FDA’s guidelines and federal laws, placing yourself at risk for the above mentioned side effects, please do your family a favor and fill out your Advanced directives, including a will and a do not resuscitate (DNR) form for medical staff. In addition, make sure you have an excellent health insurance policy in place. If you have children or other family members who depend on you financially, it may also be a good idea to purchase a life insurance policy to make sure they are taken care of in the event of your death.

08.2 | Unregistered Commenterwendyh

So correct Wendy H. However on minor correction. Dysport is made by Medisis and is also a BTX-A product.

Pat

I'm glad I read all this information. I have seen this Pretique site and was wondering if it was legit. I get regular injections and was looking to see if there were any other options regarding cost. I will say, I was intrigued with how they make the products sound. I hope this sends a message to the medical/cos-medic industry that people want to look good, and seem willing to try these types of products due to the inflated price Doctors are charging. I would be interested in seeing some laboratory testing done on these " Botox and filler" products that Pretique is offering to see how safe and beneficial they are.

08.31 | Unregistered CommenterColleenw

i've used prestique for over a year now with great results. I must say, I did a better job than the doctor that did my injections in the past with must less bruseing.

08.3 | Unregistered CommenterRon

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