Medical Spa MD Podcast: Dr. Thomas Young & Smartlipo

Dr. Thomas Young

In episode 8 of the Medical Spa MD Podcast, Dr. Thomas Young of Young Medical Spa discusses new Smartlipo techniques and training, choosing cosmetic lasers, and cosmetic stem cell treatments.

We discuss the latest trends and nonsurgical cosmetic technologies including Smartlipo, stem cell treatments, laser liposuction, technology choices and integrating new surgical techniques into your cosmetic practice.

Dr. Young began performing SmartLipo Laser Body Sculpting soon after it's FDA approval and was the first physician to introduce awake tumescent laser liposuction to the Lehigh Valley. He trains other physicians across the country in awake tumescent liposuction and liposculpture procedures and was the first physician to perform Vaser® Lipo, SlimLipo, Body-Jet®, Stem Cell Enriched Fat Transfer Natural Breast Augmentation, Brazilian Butt Lift, ZERONA, VelaShape, and the Soprano XL Pain-free Laser Hair Reduction procedures in the region.

New Classified Listings For Cosmetic Lasers & IPLs

We've just finished with our new classified listings area for selling your medical spa, used cosmetic laser or IPL, or even your business services.

We've been using 'forums' to try and offer a place for our Members to be able to sell their used equipment, but that's always been something of a hack. So, we've created a subdomain and put up a dedicated classified listings site - along with our medical spa jobs site - that goes hand-in-hand with our forums where you have access to cosmetic laser & IPL reviews as well as very specific 'how to' threads.

This new site works much better, allowing you to upload images of what you're selling, has integrated Google maps and some really nice contact features that forums just don't provide; like automatically expiring a listing so that you don't have to wonder if that Palomar Starlux you've been eyeing is still on the market.

Right now, you don't even need to register with this site, although that may change in the future.

I want to put a special shout out for a couple of our Select Partners — Frontdesk SEO — who put up the dosh to get this done and are helping to sponsor the site and build out the Business Vendor category so that business will now have truly inexpensive place to add thier services. This was specifically designed for business that sell directly to medical spas — like IPL head refurbising, used cosmetic laser retailers and even marketing companies — to have a place that they can affort do advertise... right where the buyers are. ; )

There are a couple of things to remember.

Used cosmetic laser resellers are welcome to list their entire inventory individually or list their business in the 'Business Services' category.

Note: If you’re listing your business as a provider that sells equipment, technology or services to cosmetic clinics, you’re required to post your listings in the Business Services Category. If you abuse the system you'll be banned.   ; (

Pricing

Some of the listings will cost you a little to post. All listings are for 45 days.

  • Individual Listings: $9
  • Featured Listings: +$9
  • Business Vendors: $45

How to create a listing that sells

One line descriptions don’t do well. If you want to make a sell, follow these rules:

  • Be descriptive! Make sure that you include  an accurate, lengthy description if you’d like to make a sell. Studies show that listings with at least 400 words sell more than 4X as well as brief descriptions.
  • Add images: Your buyers want to see what they’re buying. You can add up to 5 images. Use them in the listing and don’t just put a link out to your Flikr account.
  • Use your email as your contact info: Include your email address in your listing. If your listing sells, you won’t want to keep fielding endless phone calls. Use your phone number in your email responses.
  • List your items individually: People want to know exactly what you’re selling from the title. Don’t try to squeeze multiple, different types of products in the same listing.
  • Make your title descriptive: Include the product, location and price in the title if you can.

Remember: Only Members may post listings. If you’re not yet a member you can join Medical Spa MD here. It’s free, which is a terrific price.

Medicams Reputation: Cosmetic Lasers & IPLs

Medicam is an IPL & cosmetic laser company in Canada that I don't have any first-hand knowlege of since I've never had any experience with them... but someone doesn't like them.

We've always allowed anyone to post their own opinion, but some individuals with a grudge will attempt to abuse that by posting negative (or positive) reviews and comments under different names. 
Here's a number of comments about Medicam and their cosmetic lasers and IPLs:

Dear friend! Whatever you do - do not buy a Medicam Inc. IPL or have any business with this people! You might as well just put money straight to the garbage. Be very aware of [name removed], sales representative. He will lie and cheat, and took advantage of you and your money. He will sell you the machine in Canada - even though it is not FDA approved, and it is illegal to sell it in Canada. He will sell you hand peaces that are dangerous for health. Medicam claims their parts are from Canada. ALL MEDICAM PARTS ARE FROM CHINA. I know to separate independant people who know industry very well, and they are well informed. This people will go some day to jail, because the way they run business in Canada is illegal. I live in Mexico, but I have friends who live in Ontarion, and I hear nothing but the nightmare stories, about this company. If you still want to go ahead, and have business with them, May God help you, my friend.
-JJ

Dealing with Medicam Inc, Montreal based company offers the worst customer service. They talk and promise a lot, but do not deliver. What a waste of money. There are so many great US and Canadian companies, and on average the great IPL machine cost 35 000$. Their machine cost around 40 000$, but they lie by telling you that machine cost close to $60 000, and than they pretend they offer the deal. Somebody wrote above that machines are made in China. Everybody knows that. All the parts are form China, they just put parts together in Canada.
-John

Medicam is a lie! It is a bullshit company! They talk big, but do not believe anything they say. I wanted to see their factory, but they always had excuse.. they never wanted to show me. Why? Because they do not have factory in CAnada!
They do not have licence to sell their machines.
If you are in trouble, they will not take care of you.
All the people that have trouble with Medicam should do something together to shut them down, before they still more money from people.
- Joana

It is poor quality IPL. It will break down, and it is not possible to fix it
- xx

The trouble is, the Medicam rep is right. All of the comments above were posted by the same individual. They're all from the same IP address (96.49.115.160), using the same computer in Vancouver British Columbia.

While I make it a point to try and never stifledissent or real opinion, it's obvious that the comments above are neither. It's greatly irritating when someone uses Medical Spa MD to comment under different names in order to damage an individuals reputation and this makes me pretty damn mad.

While I don't have any real opinion about Medicam one way or the other since I've never owned one of their IPLs or lasers, the fact that the comments above were obviously made with the explicit desire to mislead rather than just post a legitimate gripe anonymously means that the individual wasn't really trying to share any knowledge. For that reason I've modified them.

Oh, and there's this from the Medicam rep named above that was posted as a response and I found quite persuasive.

To everyone concerned,

I was asked to visit this site this morning and must say that I am extremely surprised to find what is mentioned in certain posts.

First of all, MEDICAM is an ACTUAL manufacturer. ANYBODY who wishes to visit our offices and factory are more than welcome and it'll be my personal pleasure to give the tour myself.

Secondly, all posts shown on 09/26 are by the same person. Jake, you do not fool me with the JJ, Joana (your manager) or 'xx'. I frankly find it ridiculous that you would attack me personally. Believe me when I say I sleep on both ears at night, knowing everything than I have done for you. These attacks just show how unappreciative and unreasonable you actually are. One last thing in regards to this, mention or attack me personally one more time and you will be hearing from my lawyer. Your childish games end here. I could simply state point by point how wrong you are and allow everyone to come to their own conclusions, but exposing your dirty laundry isn't something I will do. The only thing you accuse us of that is actually true: the art exposed in our office isn't related to lasers! I hadn't received the memo from the National Art Institute stating that art shown in an office has to represent what is sold within. Completely ridiculous!

Lastly, and more importantly, I appreciate these blogs as they provide potential clients with an unbiased point of view. This being said, certain clients will never be satisfied and we know of certain competitors who lie since they have nothing else to counter our prices and services. All information must be analyzed with this in mind. We have absolutely nothing to hide. The Chinese manufactured, unsafe, no service, certification approvals and other ridiculous comments are all LIES.

Once more, I invite anyone wishing to get clarification to call our offices: 514-737-0404. I'll me more than happy to take the call myself.

Best regards,

[Name Omitted]
Sales Director
MEDICAM INC.

Now Medicam could have been stupid, but they weren't. The individual singled out just posted a comment underneath the others. I'd point out that this is the kind of response that actually protects your reputation and makes you seem reasonable.

It's also a good reminder to take everything you read with a grain of salt.

I'm going to leave the comments up for a short time and then remove them. There are others who want some real cosmetic laser reviews and opinions without the drama.

I just wonder who Jake is.

Interview with Sciton BBL Product Manager Cheryl Deguara

Since Scitons Group Buy Program for Medical Spa MD Members just launched, we took the opportunity to chat with the Sciton BBLs product manager, Cheryl Deguara.

We're happy to have Sciton on board and offering our community some pretty hefty savings on the new BBLs IPL. We've had a number of conversations with them around their technology and customer service and we're satisfied that they recognize the benefits that this community can provide them, and that they're serious supporters of the site. Sciton's let us know that they've already sold more than a few units through Medical Spa MD. We'd love it if there were more Scitons out there.

To start off we wanted to get some inside info about why Sciton thinks that their BBLs platform is an obvious choice for your medspa or laser clinic. While not earth-shattering on the insight front and with a pretty obvious marketing slant, it's a start... and it's right on target.

From our first contacts it was obvious that Sciton is very proud of their BBL and and they aren’t afraid to say so.

“Our unit has some very impressive features that you won’t find with our competitors”, says Deguara,  “including an unlimited number of pulses while the unit is under warranty. Most IPL lamps have a pulse limit. When you reach that limit, it is typical to replace the hand piece 2-4 times a year at a cost of $5K-$7K each. You will never have that cost with Sciton's BBL.”

We asked Cheryl what she wants our Members to know about their product.

“BBL has 2 flash lamps instead of the 1 standard lamp found in other IPL devices. This not only means a longer lifetime but also helps eliminate the lamp degradation seen after short periods of time with other competitive IPL’s. There is no other IPL on the market that is as durable, reliable or versatile as Sciton’s BBL.”

Scition BBLs differentiated features include:

  • Other IPL devices require 2-7 different hand pieces to switch between wavelengths and/or spot size. Sciton’s BBL utilizes a single hand piece yet offers ultimate versatility and convenience.
  • Rapidly interchangeable filters allow switching the wavelength in a matter of seconds. Patients are not inconvenienced and doctors save time not having to power down the system to change wavelengths.
  • Innovative magnetic spot size adapters make changing the spot size fast and convenient. There is no need to buy a different hand piece simply to change the spot size. The large 15X 45 mm spot size is easily converted to 7 mm round, 11 mm round or 15 X 15 mm square in a snap.
  • Sciton’s BBL is the only system where you can control the skin temperature from 0 – 30 degrees centigrade. This allows better controlled treatments by increasing safety while maximizing clinical results.

Sciton Links

Sciton BBLs Group Buy: Save $15K on a new Scition BBLs

There's going to be quite a lot of Sciton activity on Medical Spa MD for the next month or so as we launch a new Sciton BBLs Group Buy Program with our newest Select Partner.

This program will expire after the first 5 Members lay down a deposit so if you want to take advantage of this you'll want to act first. I'll be laying out the details of the program but you'll want to watch this video explaination of the program from Sciton's Doug Carrow, Director of Sales Development.

View Sciton BBLs Group Buy Offer >

Questions?  Call 614-891-7591 or email info@sciton.com

Sciton BBLs Group Buy Configuration

BBLs™ enables treatment of multiple skin conditions with various wavelengths seamlessly using change-on-the-fly Smart Filters.

No obligation to buy if less than 5 Members join.

If there are less than 5 members at the end of the program, you may chose to buy the BBLs at the list price or you can chose to not buy the BBLs and your deposit will be refunded. 

Try it out!

There is no risk to try out the system. After your new Scition BBLs is delivered you will have 30 days to decide if you want to keep it or not. You'll receive full clinical training and support from Scition during this period. If you return your BBLs within 30 days from the date of installation, the full purchase price will be refunded (less the $5,000 deposit for clinical training).

12 month trade in!

Within a 12 month period you can chose to trade-in the BBLs in order to receive a credit of the full purchase price of the BBLs to go towards the purchase of a Sciton JOULE platform.

Additional Reading

Sciton BBLs Partnership Launch Is Coming

Sciton and Medical Spa MD will be announcing a group buy offering for our Members next week.

This is just a heads-up, but if you're even thinking about adding a cosmetic laser or IPL to your medical center you'll want to take a look at this new program.

Sciton's not sitting on their thumbs. They're a motiviated and hungry company that's watched the success that some of our other Select Partners like Shine and Frontdesk SEO have had and decided to craft an offer that pushes the limits of what a cosmetic laser manufacturer has done before.

This could fizzle of course, but I think there's an equal possiblity that it could just change the way that cosmetic medical technologies like laser and IPLs are sold and marketed... at least by those companies who have good reputations and understand that their physician customers are their greatest asset.

For Medical Spa MD's community this could be something of an inflection point, with one of the major technology companies now looking to actually become a member of the community we've built and allowing Members to pool their collective buying power and benfit from others who are using the same technology without trying to wall them off from all other information and messaging – which never really worked anyway. We'll be discussing the details of the offer and how it came about when it launches now but I wanted to mention that it's coming.

To bone up beforehand, read the latest cosmetic laser & IPL reviews and get a sense of what the medical spa community's thinking about Scition, Palomar, Cutera, Solta and the rest of the cosmetic laser & IPL technologies or visit some of the physician user groups.

If you're in the market for any type of cosmetic laser or IPL my advice is this; wait a week. Even if you're about to buy a Palomar Starlux, Candela Smoothbeam, or even a used cosmetic IPL, you'll be able to beat up your sales rep on price a little.

Cosmetic Lasers, User Groups & Clinical Exchange Forums

Medical Spa MDs forums are getting some TCL.

With tens of thousands of comments, the navigation menu had pretty much outgrown the the previous navigation and was bursting at the seams. The only way to really drill down and find information was to search, and that's somewhat clumsy since you have to know what you're looking for.

We spend the last couple of days and nights attempting to create a better system that allowed physicians to brows by topic as well as have access to holistic search functions. It's still in need of a little tweaking but we're letting you see it now.

Medical Spa MDs new forums are divided into four broad categories:

These changes to the forums combined with the new area for Medical Spa MD Select Parterns should allow you to navigate the site and find information that's relevant to your needs more easily... at least I hope so.

We'll try to manage the places that posts are found and move them to the appropriate location when we can. Of course there's a huge amount of overlap. I've included pretty much any fat removal treatment under the Bodyscupting & Liposuction forum for example. While it's not perfect, I think it's much better to have only a few forums that you can peruse.

If you haven't used the forums before, please do. We have a very active physician community who are very helpful. Many of the best threads on the site were started with physicians asking very specific questions around treatments, techniques, and other 'down in the trenches' queries.

If you would like to have a forum added or think we've missed something please let us know. If there's enough content or interest we'll add it.

Also, if you're a physician who has some great information or something to say on any topic, please submit it as a guest post and help everyone out.

Zerona Lasers

Thoughts on Zerona Lasers

LH (Dr. Lornell E. Hansen II MD) has this comment on the latest Zerona Lasers review discussion around the effacacy of Zerona for 'fat melting' and a study that was just released.

Here's the Zerona Body Sculpting Study

Low-Level Laser Therapy Effectiveness for Reducing Pain After Breast Augmentation American Journal of Cosmetic Surgery Vol. 26, No. 3, 2009
Robert F. Jackson, MD; Gregory Roche, DO; Todd Mangione, DO

LH's comments:

...I do have to apologize as I did not know that the article had been published. The last I had read was that it was waiting for review. I also want people to understand that I am not saying that the physicians involved in the study did anything wrong with my evaluation of the article. I just think that the company is over marketing the product and charging way too much.

My critique:

  1. The first thing they teach you in medical school on how to evaluate research is who paid for the research. In this case the sponsor of the research and article was Erchonia the company that makes Zerona.
  2. Who wrote the article? In this case the article appears to have been written by Ryan Maloney. Who is Ryan Maloney? He not only is the medical director of Erchonia he actually has ownership in the patent of the Zerona. Other than that you do not know his background. We know he is not a PhD or physician otherwise it would be behind his name under the authorship of the article. He has a direct financial benefit to write the article in a positive light.
  3. 8 Individuals did not have final measurements. The first question is why? 4 were from the treated group and 4 were from the placebo group. At first that seems OK, but when you look further into they kept all of these test subjects included in the study. What they did is they took the last measurements for those subjects and carried them forward. Again seems Ok at first but when you start to look at the trend of circumferential loss at the 2 weeks post treatment the measurements are trending back toward baseline. So if you include these patients last measurement (which by the way is the best overall average circumferential loss during the treatments for the treated group) and carry them forward they will artificially lower the true values two weeks post treatment. All 8 of these subjects should have been eliminated from the study.
  4. There is no assessment of cosmetic benefit. To have this be worth something you would need before and after pictures that are reviewed by a group of individuals that are blinded to which treatment the individual participant received. So in other words is a 3 inch loss aesthetically significant.
  5. They do not state if participants are male or female. So the question is left, does it work as well on males as it does on females? This could be very important as males tend to have thicker skin so does the laser penetrate as deep in men?
  6. the study was limited to patients with a BMI of 25 to 30. Now I think it is fine to have this limitation as you have to start your research somewhere. But the limitation is that the article is implying that it will work for all BMI's. What about the thinner female patient with a BMI of 20 but has a small lower abdominal pooch? Or what about the patient that has a BMI of 35? This should be stated in the conclusion but Mr. Maloney seems to forget this.
  7. They also do not state if the patients received their treatments for free or if they were compensated for their time. This is only important for the portion of the study that talked about the patient satisfaction. We need to understand that patients will put a value on the treatment because if something is free their expectations are much lower. their expectations are much higher if they paid $2500 for the treatment. So if this was free to the patient and you have 30% of the treated group that are dissatisfied or neutral what would that mean to a clinic if the patients are paying for it. I would guess you will have a much higher dissatisfied group that either wants their money back or free treatments. I do not want something in my clinic that has a 30% failure rate.
  8. They do not discuss if either group was asked to change their diets. This should be stated up front in the methods portion of the article. They also do not mention if there were any dietary supplements required such as niacin. Most clinics using Zerona are having the patients take niacin even Erchonia recommends it.
  9. They set the standard for success to be an inch loss of 3 inches or greater. Only 62.86% of the treated group achieved success. So this translates in to a 37.14% failure rate. Again, not something that I would want to stake my reputation on.
  10. Now what do the numbers mean? If you look at the numbers the patients baseline combined measurement average was 120.31 inches. At week 2 of treatment (the best measurements achieved) the average was 116.79 inches or an inch loss of 3.52 inches on average. This sounds pretty good until you look at the true numbers. Using the numbers from the study this equates to a 2.9% inch loss as measured over 4 areas. Is this clinically (visually) significant? I do not think that most individuals will be able to see a 2.9% change or if they can it will be meaningful.
  11. Lets take a look at the 2 weeks post treatment measurements. Remember, these are not true numbers as 4 patients had their best numbers included in these measurements pulled forward and included here. (I think all of their measurements should have been puled out). At 2 weeks post treatment, you see a 0.31 inch increase from the circumferential measurements at the 2 week treatments. What this equates to is an 8.8% increase in inches in only 2 weeks. So what happens at 4 weeks? 6 Weeks? So if it were a perfectly linear increase it would only take about 20 weeks or so to be 100% back at baseline. That is if it were linear and I highly doubt it is a linear response and if i had to guess most patients will be back at baseline measurements within 6 to 10 weeks and this is why there are no long term studies. The company has had ample time to produce longer term studies they apparently do not want to.

So as you can see, there are a few issues with this article and how it was analyzed and written. The first and foremost problem is that the article was authored by an individual with direct financial interest in the product. The ASLMS journal never should have published this article due to the authors conflict of interest or it should have a disclaimer prior to the abstract. I have no vested interest in any of these non-invasive technologies and would love to see something like this work and have long term benefits for the patients. I think this technology may have better long term benefits on cholesterol etc. I have heard that there are some interesting studies coming. I just hope they are not written by Mr. Maloney. And for others reading this I assume that Chad works for Erchonia or the marketing company that is selling this thing to anyone they can including chiropractors.

Sincerely,
Lornell E. Hansen II, M.D. (LH)
www.LazaDerm.com

p.s. Sorry for being so long winded but I could not help myself. I want these companies to be held to higher standards. I think the ASLMS should have higher standards as well.

If you read the thread there's some interesting thoughts that spring to mind. If Chad is not with Zerona it would be the first time in my experience that a patient has been searching for peer-reviewed medical studies before deciding to have a treatment... I'm just saying.

Of course this qualifies as a guest post and a well deserved back link.

Any other physicians using Zerona have any thoughts?

Zeltiq vs. Zerona

Zerona and Zeltliq booth promise to freeze fat and shed pounds well enough that it would be a slam dunk to add these treatments to your medical spa or laser clinic. But do they work?

Here's some commentary from the NY Times Story

Doctors and patients alike are excited by the prospect of having new technologies that can attack fat without surgery. It is too early, however, for consumers to know how effectively either device works. That hasn’t stopped men and women unhappy with back fat and muffin tops from paying thousands for treatment in recent months...

...Zeltiq Aesthetics, based in Pleasanton, Calif., is a cautious wallflower that aims to get the data behind its device approved by the F.D.A. before it makes too rowdy an entrance to the party. Its slogan is “More Science. Less Fat.”

Meanwhile, Erchonia Medical, based in McKinney, Tex., has aggressively marketed its Zerona laser as “the first non-invasive body contouring procedure to effectively remove excess fat” even though it has yet to receive F.D.A. clearance to promote this use. (In general, the F.D.A. must sanction a medical device for a specific use before a company can market that use. But doctors are free to use devices off label. )

Nonetheless, a brochure for Zerona states patients can collectively “lose up to 9 inches without the pain or down time of surgery.” Nationwide, medical spas, chiropractors, cosmetic surgeons, plastic surgeons and dermatologists now offer Zerona for $1,700 to $3,800 for six sessions. Part of the reason the device has made inroads during these strapped times is that doctors don’t buy it outright, but pay per use.

So how is Zerona supposed to work? The low-level laser causes “fat to seep out of a cell, almost like a balloon being struck by a needle,” said Ryan Maloney, medical director for Erchonia Medical. The fat enters the lymphatic system, and is eventually used as energy, Dr. Maloney said.

Zeltiq uses controlled cooling to target and eliminate fat cells, a process called selective cryolipolysis. Skin isn’t damaged, but subcutaneous fat, which is more sensitive to targeted cold, begins a two-month death march soon after exposure to Zeltiq.

Doctors on the advisory board for Zeltiq Aesthetics have put the word out about it on television news segments. But at this stage, the company itself has been careful not to promote its device directly to consumers since its F.D.A. clearances for, say, pain reduction during dermatologic treatments don’t encompass fat reduction. Gordie Nye, the chief executive, sent an e-mail message declining to be interviewed for this article.

The company has clinical data that has been submitted to the F.D.A. for approval, according to a few doctors who were principal investigators. Data relayed at a meeting of the American Society of Dermatologic Surgery showed a 22 percent reduction of the fat layer as measured by ultrasound.

Erchonia Medical has published the results of its clinical trial in Lasers in Surgery and Medicine. Thirty-five patients in the treatment group lost an average of 3.5 inches total in hips, thighs and their midsection according to the company’s clinical trial. The company has promoted Zerona as “a new body-sculpting procedure designed to remove fat and contour the body without invasive surgery.” But the F.D.A. has not sanctioned marketing this use. It has cleared the Zerona laser for pain reduction 24 hours after breast augmentation or as a way to decrease the pain associated with recovering from liposuction.

In general, Karen Riley, a spokeswoman for the F.D.A., said “it is considered off-label promotion if you are marketing to the public a use that has not been cleared.” Steven Shanks, the president of Erchonia Medical, said, “Since we use the exact same power for liposuction and breast augmentation, we self-certified the device.” He said that in January 2009, the company had applied for a 510K clearance — which is based on the notion that an older device is substantially equivalent to a new one — and had yet to receive it. (Such a delay is atypical, Ms. Riley said, adding, “most 510Ks are cleared within six months.”)

Last month, Dr. Robert B. Seltzer, a dermatologist in Pasadena, Calif., ran an advertisement in The Los Angeles Times for an informational seminar that called Zerona “the holy grail.” In a phone interview, however, he said, “I’m not 100 percent convinced” and planned to return his Zerona if he didn’t continue seeing results in his patients. (So far 5 out of 6 have been pleased.)

After reviewing Erchonia Medical’s clinical study, Dr. Brian M. Kinney, a plastic surgeon in Los Angeles, said, “I can’t prove that it works.” His concerns are that the tape measure method of gauging circumferential changes “isn’t consistently reliable.” What’s more, study participants and the placebo group were assessed only two weeks after their last treatment, not long enough to measure adequately whether results last.

Dr. Kinney doesn’t have a Zerona or a Zeltiq cooling device, though in the case of the latter, he said, “it is well documented that freezing fat tissue aggressively enough can lead to fat necrosis,” or, fat dying, over a few months.

Patient selection for any body contouring procedure is crucial, said Dr. Jeffrey M. Kenkel, vice chairman of plastic surgery at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center in Dallas. Dr. Kenkel, who recently replicated results of Zerona’s clinical trial in 12 of his patients, doesn’t offer Zerona to obese patients, or to ones who have had surgery in the area they want treated. “It’s critical to be evaluated by a doctor,” he said.

Success is also dependent on diet and exercise, he said. If you’re sedentary and not eating healthy food, he said, then once fat is leaked after Zerona treatments, “your body will just store it again.”

How the body rids itself of fat, and how quickly, after any noninvasive body slimming procedure is unclear, said Dr. Lawrence S. Bass, a plastic surgeon in Manhattan who started using a Zeltiq device last July. That includes, he said, forthcoming devices like UltraShape and LipoSonix, which employ ultrasound waves to single out fat. It’s a “sticking point with the F.D.A. with all these things,” he said. Dr. Bass was not a clinical investigator for Zeltiq, but he said, “I’m convinced both on the science and clinical experience, it’s able to eliminate fat noninvasively.”

Nadine Tosk, a publicist for Zeltiq, explained that the rollout of the device was “very limited right now.” Dr. Jeffrey Dover, a dermatologist in Chestnut Hill, Mass., who advises Zeltiq and participated in its clinical trial, said a few board-certified plastic surgeons and dermatologists were “handpicked” because “we know they do good work.” Restraint is key, he said, because a doctor could apply Zeltiq to “the same spot” in the same day, which isn’t how it’s meant to be used. Hourlong treatments are best spaced out by two months, said Dr. Dover, who charges $700 per spot.

That said, a doctor with a Zeltiq device isn’t hard for patients to find. More than five dozen “Zeltiq specialists” can be found by ZIP code at body-contouring.com, which is a patient guide not sponsored by manufacturers of body-slimming devices. Dr. Jason N. Pozner, a plastic surgeon in Boca Raton, Fla., appears topless in a YouTube.com video that shows his left flank being suctioned and cooled as he reads his Kindle. (His partner, Dr. David J. Goldberg, was an investigator for Zeltiq.)

Ms. Bonvouloir hasn’t given up on Zerona. Recently, she paid $2,100 for six treatments at Parker Day Spa in Parker, Colo. This time, each session is followed by a massage that supposedly speeds the release of fat. “I still have three more sessions,” Ms. Bonvouloir wrote in an e-mail message. “Again, they are convinced I will lose some inches. I’d like to know when!!!”

Not exactly a raging endorsement but that shouldn't come as a surprise. Is anyone we know having success with Zerona treatments? Is Zeltiq or Zerona going to cause trouble for Thermage?

Cynosure hair removal lasers + service

Buying used cosmetic lasers can be tricky.

For those of you that have had problems with Cynosure there is help, for those that do not or have not had problems you are lucky.  Not all of Cynosure service department is bad, there are a few good technicians and some that are just there for a job. 

Cynosure hair removal lasers are very good if maintained properly.  There are few things that you must be aware of:

  1. Flash lamp pulses on the Cynosure: Do not go over 1 million on the yag and 750,000 on the alex.
  2. Keep track of your voltage: Do not run the laser over 820v, this could lead to pump chamber failures and blown power supplies.  These will be very expensive repairs.
  3. Inspect your hand pieces every time you use them, making sure that there are not large pits and / or burn spots inside.  Keep your windows clean and change frequently.  If your hand piece is getting hot during use, then you have problems with it, and the hand piece needs to be checked.

If you are thinking of having your Cynosure laser service by a third party company, just remember not everyone can work on them, even some of the manufacture’s technician have problems working on them. There are many after market parts available as well but you get what you pay for. Would you take your Mercedes to Bob’s Auto for service?  I know of only a couple technician outside of Cynosure who can repair them.  We make sure that you get what you would expect from the manufacture.   

If you are thinking of purchasing a used Cynosure laser or other cosmetic laser, please have a technician that knows the laser look at it for you before you put any money down.  Would you buy a used car from a fly by night dealer without having your mechanic look at it? I have seen and heard every nightmare you could think of, I have also seen some very good deals.  I had a lady call me that purchased a laser that had blown the power supply on it 2 weeks after purchasing the laser.  That same laser was about to be sold to a customer of mine that wanted me to help him find a laser.  I told him that this laser in poor shape and that it would need very costly repairs.  I was not surprised when the lady called me and gave me the serial number of the laser.  It does not cost to get a second opinion on something that could save you in the long run. 

When it comes to Cynosure, Candela and Deka lasers if you are having problems or need support please feel free to contact us at Integrity Laser Inc.

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Palomar Starlux Series II - $42,500

The true work horse of a medical spa, this Palomar Starlux was purchased in 2006 for $150,000. This gives you the opportunity to save more than 70%!

In EXCELLENT CONDITION, this Starlux is ready to roll. If you're looking to add revenue to your bottom line, this is the way to do it.

This IPL Starlux Includes:

Palomar Starlux 300 Series II IPL
Palomar IPL stand

Power supply
IPL / Laser Glasses
Chlller Fluid
Original paperwork, instructions and DVDs

4 HandPieces (Each of these retails for $7,000 - $10,000)

RED LuxR pulse count: 91,682
PURPLE LuxV pulse count: 2,593
GREEN LuxG pulse count 58,726
YELLOW LuxY pulse count 39,444

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IPL & Lasers from China

I've certainly been getting a lot of IPL & cosmetic laser companies from China contacting me lately trying to get on the site.

I haven't seen one yet that claims FDA approval for their lasers. Does anyone with a laser clinic or medical spa outside the US have experience using lasers or IPLs from China? Are lasers or IPLs a workable solution for clinics in Europe or Asia?

Im guessing that a very large majority of the componants that are used by Palomar, Cutera, or Thermage are manufactured in China already.

The Medical Spa Aesthics Training Course & Study Guide for medspas & laser clinics.

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Written by Paula D. Young, RN, the Advanced Medical Spa Esthetics Training Course & Study Guide is a two part learning cirriculum for non-physicians. The course is delivered in two parts that include a text book and a study guide.


This is an invaluable tool for any Laser Center, Med Spa, Plastic Surgery or Cosmetic Dermatology practice to train every new medical spa staff member on what cosmetic proceedures you offer, how they work, and what alternatives there are.

This study course is being used in medical esthetic schools and leading medical spas and laser clinics to provide every new esthetician and laser tech with a study course, and test their knowledge before they're hired.

For the first time, your laser clinic or medspa staff has the latest information on the newest nonsurgical medical treatments, from Botox, Restylane, and the newest filler injections, to fractional CO2 laser resurfacing and IPL treatments.

Your medical spa staffs knowledge and expertise is a critical componant to your success. Now you can be confident that your front desk, estheticians and laser technicians have the information that they need, and can answer patient questions with confidence.

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Laser Lipo ~ One Lump, or Two?

I like to regularly read through various self-help forums to understand the patient’s point of view on the types of procedures we perform. (Laser Lipo, SmartLipo) I believe in doing so, it can help fine tune our procedures, prepare us better for responses to patients with similar experiences, and help us perform overall better customer service.

One of the common complaints I have continually come across was lumps and bumps patients have experienced post laser lipolysis. Many seem somewhat traumatized by the bumps, others state their physicians have given them no explanation or even treatment for the lumps.

Let me first preface that this is in no way comparable to the lumps and tracts after traditional liposuction for reasons we’re all well aware of. In fact, many of our patients are coming in to have those lumps and tracts removed with laser lipo. Patients need to be well educated about the healing process of the lymphatic system, underlying tissue layers, the remaining layer of fat post laser lipolysis, and that lumps can be part of that process for some. How many lumps remain visible after the healing process has been completed (6 months or more) is dependent upon how much fat was left underneath the skin from the procedure, how aggressive the procedure was (amount of fat removed and severity of manipulation), and how the area was treated during the healing process. These lumps can be pockets of just fat, or consolidation of scar tissue and body fluid, even seromas that require regular draining until gone.

It doesn’t matter if the device used was a lipo lysing laser or the ultrasound Vaser, lumps can occur and tend to be more operator dependent than anything. No surprise to any of us, I noticed with many physicians I talked with experienced more lumps at the beginning of their training and had to bring many patients back for touch-ups. These physicians tell me that as their experience level increased they began to see fewer lumps and attributed the reduction to technique enhancements from training with more experienced physicians, choices of suction devices and cannulas, aggressiveness of suction post lysing, and post treatment regimens.

Because you can’t rush a physician’s level of experience, what you can do is offer your patients methods to help keep the lumpy bumpies away. These treatments can be started as early as 2 weeks post-procedure or as early as tolerated by your patient.

Here are some of the laser lipo remedies that we currently use or have been suggested to me by others.

  • Proper garment fitting
  • Placement of large foam surgical pad across abdomen under garment to disperse pressure evenly
  • Lymphatic massage, or deep tissue massage, by an experienced massage therapist
  • Use of a roller ball. We like the Omni roller ball suggested to us by our dear friend Dr. Richard Goldfarb (thanks Rich!)
  • Ultrasound therapy
  • VelaShape, or comparable device. We give our patients 2 free sessions with every laser lipo procedure. We like the blending of the infrared, radio frequency, roller motion and suction to help our patients smooth out and tighten the skin.
  • Endermologie
  • Use of a small cannula to excise the areas of fat (plastic surgeon suggested)

More theories and suggestions are welcome!

Author: Paula D. Young RN runs internal operations and training at Young Medical Spa and is the author of the Medical Spa Aesthetics Course, Study Guide, and Advanced IPL & Laser Training course for medical estheticians and laser technicians.

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IPL & Cosmetic Laser Rental

IPL or Cosmetic Laser Rentals?

If you're looking to advertise (or find) an IPL rental or cosmetic laser to rent, please post that under the medical spa classifieds rather than just stick them in a comment thread somewhere.

It's becomming popular in some areas to rent a laser or IPL from someone else. (This is the defacto method in Brazil where import taxes make cosmetic laser extremely expensive. Brazilian plastic surgeons and derms schedule all of their patients at a location and they and the patients go there for the treatments.)

Anyway, there have been a number of offers to rent a laser or IPL showing up in diverse threads and forums. I'd appreciate it if you have some sort of offer or need around laser renting, if you'd post that in the med spa classified area. Your laser listing will get more traffic there and won't be disrupting other discussions.

Thank you. The Management.

Shining The Light On LED Therapy

Sales must be down because I have been getting inundated with sales reps cold calling my office telling me how our practice can improve the therapeutic outcome of many of our services merely by adding LED light therapy.

I have spoken to some other practices and get mixed reviews when discussing LED therapy. Some feel it is highly beneficial while others think it verges on the level of witch-doctory. The FDA states that LED technology with a low-level output is determined to be of “non-significant risk”, but has it been determined to provide any significant improvement specifically in the medical aesthetic arena?

I, personally, am skeptical as to whether or not a wavelength of LED light can actually make an improvement in certain conditions we currently treat in our practice. I’m not talking about infrared light for purposes such as skin tightening or blue light used in conjunction with Levulan® kerastick photodynamic therapy for the treatment of acne.

Every company I speak with has their spin on the product. I understand spin, I used to teach sales reps how to spin. What matters to me more is clinical data that suggests there are actual improvements in skin tone, texture and clarity. That there is alleviation of wrinkles, and lightening of dyschromias from acne, melasma, or from environmental causes. Call me a non-believer, but I value a doubled-blinded study far more than I do anecdotal experience.

Reps are telling me that LED therapy is used highly successfully as a stand alone therapy or as an adjunct to laser services. They now claim to have therapeutic advantages post laser lipolysis claiming it reduces erythema, edema and bruising. Come on! Really? Where’s the data that suggests that? Does it provide more of a psychological benefit to the patient than it does physiological? If so, patient selection is as important as in hypnotherapy!

Information on the web has revealed the following cosmetic indications where LED light therapy has been “known” (how it’s known I’m not sure) to provide benefits: burns, scrapes, pain relief from skin injury, prevention of bruising, inflammation (if a fresh injury), and, wound healing (such as after a laser peel or resurfacing procedure).

Some conditions where LED light therapy is believed to have some benefit for is: Red LED for the treatment of Rosacea, anti-aging, sun damage, dyschromias, existing bruises and inflammation, psoriasis, eczema, dermatitis, and, poison ivy. Yellow LED for wrinkles, and blue LED for the treatment of acne.

The Rosacea Support Group’s website at http://rosacea-support.org, states some very compelling information about the major players in the LED therapy market and various physician testimonials as to their therapeutic benefit.

Curiosity has truly consumed me on this topic; therefore, my question for discussion is this, does a device such as the above discussed, have to be FDA approved to substantiate a claim of efficacy in your eyes? And, is an FDA approval important to you when selecting modes of therapy for your practice?

Author: Paula D. Young RN runs internal operations and training at Young Medical Spa and is the author of the Medical Spa Aesthetics Course, Study Guide, and Advanced IPL & Laser Training course for medical estheticians and laser technicians.

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